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Re: RU58841, flutamide, or castration:  which is more effect...

From: Bryan
Date: 31 May 2001
Time: 16:36:25
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>Comments >>You are talking about an animals ear as opposed to a humans head.<< <

>>>>That's not really the point. The point is the direct comparison of three different antiandrogenic treatments, and which of those three treatments is the most powerful.>>><

>We already know that some of these animal models are not really suitable for human hair models, and that changes from antiandrogen to antiandrogen. It even changes from location to location within humans.<

I don't CARE how suitable it is for a human hair model. Again, the point is that castration is a VERY POWERFUL means of reducing androgenic stimulation. And quite possibly, more powerful than either RU58841 or flutamide.

>The creature subject and/or the condition/location as well as the antiandrogen are all very important factors when it comes to the outcome of antiandrogen therapy. History has taught us this repeatedly.<

You continue to evade the point, which is that even if I'm wrong about castration being the MOST powerful "antiandrogen", it is still right up there NEAR the top. That's what I've been trying to convince maneless of for the past year. He has always ignored the fact that castration in humans doesn't regrow hair, saying that it's nowhere near the effect of RU58841. This evidence which I've presented destroys that notion.

>>>Mohawk told us he got "considerable regrowth" with RU.<<<

>>>>Sure. Some people even get considerable regrowth from Propecia. It happens occasionally.>>><

>Now Bryan, occasionally means very infrequently. "occasionally" as you put it is down around 5% or less of the time. What are the odds that one guy, Mohawk, would've gotten such good results with RU58841? Not very good. I only know 2 guys who have gotten RU58841. The other guys called himself "Anonymous" in Ertels' Regrowth site. I can show you his posts if I can still find them. "Anonymous" also got "considerable" regrowth. What are the odds that both of them would've fared so well when RU58841 only works "occasionally" (as you suggest) and neither of them responded to either proscar or minoxidil or proscar and minoxidil in combination? Odds are at least one of them should've gotten no regrowth, especially considering that previously neither of them got any regrowth with propecia, or minoxidil, or the combination of both propecia and minoxidil.<

I tend to take anecdotes reported on the Internet with a grain of salt, especially anonymous ones. I always point to a post I saw once on alt.baldspot from a guy who said, "I started using aloe vera and salt two weeks ago, and now I'm seeing new hairs popping up on my hairline!" I kid you not! Those were almost his EXACT words! ;-)

BTW, as Mike (emkaypee) pointed out to maneless on alt.baldspot a few months ago, there have in fact been reports there in the past on the newsgroup from people who managed to get RU58841 synthesized, and they had no response from it. So add those to your statistics!

Bryan

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