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Re: Livingston et al. watch this forum closely!

From: TAFP
Date: 17 Jun 2001
Time: 14:23:07
Remote Name: 131.216.128.250

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Pavlo may not have been the one who "cooked this up". But there may be a group of people out there (names we'd recognize from the Hairsite forums) who know the truth behind DF, that is, that it's a hoax. I agree with Ahab, it is starting to look like a ruse perpetrated by a group of people who want to get the truth from Gho, or spur him to work faster for fear of competition.

I keep calling everyone's attention back to the very first post seen anywhere about DF and Livingston. It was sent to www.hairlosshelp.com, but quickly ended up on Hairsite. Basically it was what lawyers call "hearsay-on-hearsay" -- a woman claiming her husband saw an article in a periodical referring to DF and Livingston. The publication was unnamed, and the article was never found despite the repeated searches we've done, including NEXIS, findarticles.com, individual.com, Dow Jones News Retrieval, newswire searches, etc. I think that original posting may have been a plant.

This is a common tactic used in BOTH the public relations industry AND by intelligence agencies like the CIA, former KGB, Mossad, etc. They will attempt to plant false information in a legitimate newspaper or publication, by faslifying the source and presenting the information as legitimate. Once a "mainstream" or "reputable" newspaper or magazine picks up the story (by mistake or ignorance of the facts), the story becomes legitimized and takes on a life of its own. This is one of the oldest disinformation tactics in the book.

One item in that first post (which still appears on www.hairlosshelp.com) which suggests its falsity is the mention that Livingston has had "pre-patent protection" for his procedure for years. Where is the evidence of that?

A check of Canada's Strategis web site, which has searchable patent and trademark databases for the Canadian patent office, shows no patent whatsoever for anything even remotely resembling DF, going back to 1986. Moreover, that site also shows PENDING PATENT APPLICATIONS and even ABANDONED PATENT APPLICATIONS. BTW, the latter two are not even searchable on the USPTO's site! And no pending or "pre-patent protection" information appears for anything remotely resembling DF, or anything bearing the name of Ryan Livingston. Now, if the inventor is Canadian, one would think that he'd at least try to apply for a patent in Canada.

Let's assume he avoided the Canadian system altogether, and only applied in the US. Well, no US patent has been granted.

Now, as for "pre-patent protection" in the US, the whole process is a bit different than in Canada. In Canada, pending applications APPEAR on the database. In the US, they do not. In the US, you can send in a "preliminary patent application" which locks in the date of that application for 18 months. If you follow up with a formal patent application during that 18 month period, you have the benefit of the date of the preliminary app. Preliminary apps. are renewable. So, there's the outside possibility that RL has simply locked in a date with a preliminary patent application in the US, and just updated the preliminary application every 18 months to keep it valid, but has yet to file a formal patent application.

I believe that scenario is quite unlikely.

I think we should look at the facts. The main fact being there is NO PATENT, and NO PENDING PATENT APPLICATION, for "dermal fusion" or anything like it, in Canada.

BTW, Jahoda has an abandoned pending patent application from 1991, where he (along with 4-5 other scientists from the University of Dundee -- not Durham) -- was going to patent a cell-free extract of dermal papilla cells, which supposedly was going to be used as a topical to induce hair growth. The patent was never granted, though, probably because the application was abandoned when Jahoda et al. found it didn't work well enough.

Anyway, you might be interested to know that I discovered this on the CANADIAN SITE, not the USPTO site, because it is impossible to search for abandoned or pending applications on the US site. The USPTO site only shows patents which have been GRANTED.

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