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To Farrel.  Long post.

From: Fred
Date: 08 Jul 2001
Time: 16:04:36
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Farrel,

These are not trick questions, I honestly would like your answers. They are opinions and rough guesses for the sake of conversation, not stats, unless by chance you have the factual answers. But pretend we're having that beer.

In your estimation, what percentage of the HT industry is doing sub-par work. You have given me the impression that it is more than not. Could you give a percentage?

In what percentage do you think that not only was the HT a failure, but additional damage was done to the patient?

Would you agree that there are many unscrupulous HT practitioners in the country? The world?

What percentage of them use unscrupulous business practices in your opinion?

Basically, if we stipulate yours and SK's point that there are some HT docs who are doing their best and achieving good results with happy patients, then can we agree that there is an awfully large amount of HT that is going on that lacks results, happiness and scruples?

I think we can agree on that based on prior discussion, but I would just like to be sure.

My obsesssion with this stems (pun int.) from a very primary thought and hence, argument.

Tissue Engineering of hair follicles is the shortest path to a functional cure for hairloss, by which I mean giving hair to those who lack it in sufficient amount.

To me, I believe this is self evident. I do not know if you agree with this. But I proceed from this basic thought.

My personal guess is that if we are generous to a fault to the HT industry, (And I will get some flak for this) and say that they have a 65 percent success rate, (I think it is much lower.) but for purpose of discussion, a 65 percent success rate...in how many other professions is that an acceptable success rate.

Now you could say that in cancer medicine, the success rate is far lower and you'd be right. But I do not think we are comparing apples to apples. Probably it should be compared to other comsmetic surgeries, about which I know not enough.

But I must also compare it to other products, such as cars, stereos, tv's and bicycles or food at a restaurant.

In how many businesses is such a high rate of failure acceptable as is in the HT industry?

Back in the late eighties, early nineties, Jahoda did his early work on a form of HM. (He has a patent.)

In the early nineties, Cooley, under the tutelage of Vogel, recreated that work.

Word has been "out" about HM in the HT industry, for about a decade.

In that time, an HT practitioner, Coen Gho, took up the mantle and started doing research.

A scientist in Japan did as well.

One in Korea? Rumor.

One is Australia? Another rumor.

Vogel may or may not have. Cooley may or may not have with him. We have never gotten any final discussion on those two.

Unger, unfortunately, waited for ten years so that he could begin his research at the U. of Toronto. Thanks for the update, BTW. But the fact that he was waiting for it shows that the HT industry was fully aware of this stuff. That Unger is the highest paid doctor in Canada (I am repeating something I heard here, I do not know this is a fact. Just to be as fact based as possible.) may have soothed him as he waited.

That leaves hundreds of HT docs in the US, the entire Bosley mill, HT docs in Canada, some in Latin America (Argentina must have them. They have more cosmetic surgery than California...) and not to mention the rest of Europe and a few in the wealthier pockets of the developing world, from the rest of the industry, no money seems to have been invested in the technology, no foresight was available in spite of the fact that a "cure" was within graps.

To be honest, one day back in 95, someone was explaining to me how they were "growing" heart cells and described how they pulsed in the cultures, like a heart.

He told me about how they were growing skin. I swear to God, the first thing I thought was that they could do this with hair. I basically had the idea on my own (Much later of course, lol.) the day I first heard of TE.

So that is why I think this is so plainly obvious.

Which was why when I read about SK's plans for a hair cloning project on his old website, I was pleased. This would have been an excellent way for him to truly take the bull by the horns and truly advocate for hairloss sufferers. He seemed to have all the ingredients. A certain status, access to people with money (presumably) contacts in the research world...etc. Alas, I have yet to have an answer as to what became of this. Even its demise would be an interesting tale.

But my point is that no one went for it. The cure was right there for all to see, from Unger to Cooley, and unless there is a hush hush project somewhere waiting to explode, then no one thought it was worth the time of day.

I cannot say this equals a conspiracy. Perhaps a conspiracy of inertia. However, TAFP, who has some inside knowledge of lobbying and medical establishments makes a persausive case for a kind of conspiracy of silence on the part of the HT industry. "We're not researching this, and those that are are very far away. You still need an HT now."

I think you have heard my argument every which way to Sunday and I have not changed it at all. Those out there who agree can call me a nut. But I have good company and those who agree should raise their hands.

But if we have a point of agreement: that there is a large pool of HT docs who should not be practicing, then would there be anything wrong with them not working in the field any longer?

Would you mind if Bosley went out of business?

I don't think you would.

Sorry this is so long.

Fred

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