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Re: My take on embryionic stem cell research

From: Bill
Date: 11 Jul 2001
Time: 22:58:11
Remote Name: 207.151.89.3

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Hi Priestly, Obviously we differ much with regards to these issues. I wanted to touch on your comment about someone demonstrating to you a soul being embued on to an embryo.

First of all, there is no way to show this, any more than there is a way to show a soul being embued onto any human being. By its very definition, "our souls", for those of us who believe in that concept, are that part of us that do not exist in this universe. So asking where is it is useless, since that automatically implies space and time to an object that does not have space and time. These are concepts that only have meaning within this universe.

I am beginning to get a handle on your basic personality, which is very common in the intellectual world. So I doubt very much that you have any belief of the abstract, unprovable concept of a soul, and that is fine. I can accept that about you without feeling the need to force my beliefs on you.

And yes it is easy to rationalize that a zygote is not human, as it looks so very different from what we see everyday. Since we never see with our own eyes our earliest form of development, it is a bit easier to disregard it as being human, but this is how everyone of us starts out.

If you can show me a human being on this planet who was not a zygote, then perhaps your argument would show more credence with me.

How is it that you prefer to place the label of "human". From an intellectual standpoint, what are the prerequisites necessary for you to label something human, instead of an embryo, zygote, 1-month after conception, etc.

Perhaps when it can breathe on its own ? If so, then there are things on this planet attached to breathing machines since these things, no longer humans, can not breathe on its own.

Perhaps when it has rational thought ? Then there are also things on this planet, no longer human, that have lost the ability for rational thought.

It starts to get tough to have totally accurate prerequisites with which to label something human or not, based upon whatever qualities you wish to embue on them.

In your comment about taking responsibility for the killing of animals, I can only say one thing, and I do not mean this sarcastically. This is a bit easy to say when you are on the "living" side of the coin. You might feel a bit differently if we are ever visited by an alien race, who more than likely will be much superior to us technologically, being that they are here to begin with. I believe that at least many of those people, seeing themselves on the helpless side of the equation, might very quickly start to champion the idea that it is not morally correct for one life form to take another, simply because they can, and it suits them.

I am sure that we will find other things to disagree on, but I enjoy debating with you because we can do so in a stimulating, non-attacking manner.

If you want to continue, perhaps we should go to the misc forum, since we are straying pretty far from HM. Take care.

Bill

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