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Re: My take on embryionic stem cell research

From: Bill
Date: 12 Jul 2001
Time: 09:24:59
Remote Name: 207.151.89.2

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Okay, We can continue here until asked to stop.

Quantum physicists don't know any more about 12 dimensions than you and I, assuming that they really exist. They don't even know what an electron is. In fact, they have arrived at the Uncertainty Principle, which says there is no way to both know the position and the velocity of said particles, that also have wave-like principles. We do not know what a photon is. We have to invent something called duality, when we could not explain its properties as being either a particle or a wave. And these are things that are here with us in the third dimension.

Christ says he is in this world, but not of this world. This is basically where the idea of soul is derived, in that it is this part of God that we have. Our bodies are in 3-dimensional spacetime, but our souls are not. And once again to ask WHERE it is implies an aspect to our soul that does not exist.

I agree that the fact that something has not been proven to exist does not exclude its existence, but in my previous paragraph, the soul, from the very essence of its beginning of use by us, is such a thing that does not exist in our spacetime.

Would you be willing to stipulate that something that does not exist in spacetime, could still have some sort of prescence, even though we will not be able to prove such prescence, due to our limitation of being STUCK IN 3 DIMENSIONS ?

Personally, I feel this will be one of the many pleasures that God will bestow upon me when I join Him in the final leg of this journey I am on - the knowledge and capacity to understand this knowledge of all the many intricacies of what the world really is. I mean even now, it is mind-boggling. We know that our physical bodies are made up of cells, made up of molecules, made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons, with 99.99999% emptiness. And now we find that protons and neutrons are made up of quarks and a bunch of nothingness. So what in essence, is all this real life around us. It depends a bit on what tools we use to view it.

The fact that I picked up my biology book is the argument I am using to say that a human zygote is the first and only step for the creation of life.

You are right in the statement that because all B's are A's does not imply that all A's are B's, in a logical sense. But even if that is true for zygotes, we have no right to make that judgment about any one particular zygote. What gives us the arrogance to decide that this zygote is not gonna make a human, because I can use that same logic that since we know that all B's come from A's, then at least some A's do indeed make B's.

I do believe that you would resist my green men, like most of us would, and I also believe that you will one day espouse the idea that no lifeform has the moral right to take anothers - BUT PERHAPS NOT FOR QUITE A WHILE - LOL.

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